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Dungeon World – 10 Level Cap

Dungeon World

 

An interesting decision by Dungeon World is that the game indicates that, upon reaching 10th level, a character is either retired, takes on an apprentice (which is played along with the old character), or starts over as a new class. In any case, the character stops gaining XP at 10th level.

This level cap is interesting. First, with the way it seems advancement might move in a game of Dungeon World, a character could hit this cap pretty quickly. You need 108 experience points to get to level 10. If you gain, conservatively, 3 per session from goals of defeating enemies, finding treasure, exploration, bonds, and alignment, and then you fail maybe 5 rolls per session, you’ll reach the level cap after 13-14 sessions.

This implies to me that Dungeon World is focused on telling tighter stories, and not quite as focused on a long term campaign OR that Dungeon World does not expect the players to be making 10-15 rolls per game session. Since some of the play samples have characters making a defy danger and hack and slack roll within the same couple of minutes of real time, it seems hard to imagine that a player won’t end up making 10-15 rolls in a 4 hour session (which the game explicitly assumes).

The 10 level cap can mean a few other things as well. Dungeon World assumes a fairly heroic starting character. After all, you’re unlikely to gain more than a couple points in traits which are used for your moves, and you’re unlikely to gain more than a couple of extra damage or armor. The game’s core mechanic always being a static 6-, 7-9, and 10+ mean that the math does NOT have very far to stretch. 10 levels then may then feel like an appropriate place for those abilities to stop in order to avoid outgrowing the game’s math where the targets never change.

Allowing a character to start over as a new class (although, you get to retain a few signature moves) is a strange inclusion to me. I suppose it is there because players are going to get attached and feel like their character’s story isn’t over, but for a game that focuses on the fiction being so important, having a character forget most of their old class moves and start over at level 1 seems like an awkward option. Having a second character join you, and staying at level 10 seems like a bit of a disruptive choice as well. Now you have a level 10 AND a level 1, while another player retired his character and started over with just a level 1 character. I get that insisting on character retirement is a bit heavy-handed, but the other options feel out of place.

The main take away from this is that, if there’s one flaw with the streamlined mechanic of dungeon world, it’s the inability of that mechanic to take much modification to the math.  This limits the characters to fewer character levels, less magic item modifications, and no real way to model enemy strength into the roll (since rolls are player-attribute based only).

 

Campaigns

I’ve decided that I want to play more variety in RPGs.  This, combined with the fact that I have less time than ever to play them means I want a tightly written novella or short story for a campaign, not an epic 7 novel series.

So, I want a campaign to complete in 6-12 months.  I want to play 2x per month, for 5 hours or so.  This gives me 60-120 hours to complete an entire campaign, which really isn’t all that much time.  With this perspective, how many levels should the game have, and how many hours should it take to level up?

Let’s say we go with 100 hour campaigns, which is being a bit generous.  We could do 20 levels for 1 level every 5 hours of play.  We could also do 10 levels, with a  level for every 10 hours of play.  I’d also say that the game system should probably be able to handle a longer campaign, and that maybe there is a more epic tier that exists, but there would need to be some practical reason that most NPCs aren’t “epic” or there aren’t really epic-tier heroes controlling the world and pulling the strings.

I don’t want to go too far down that way though, because that way lies super-hero style RPG play, and I really don’t care about that right now for Lost Worlds.  So, I think I want to delay some of the gratification of leveling, so I think every-other session is probably appropriate.  Every session might be hard to keep up with for players as they have changing stats and powers every time they sit down after a 2-week break.

All of that being said, I think I want my design space then to be about 10 levels worth of stuff, with level 1-3 being an above average combatant, level 4-7 being a hero, and level 8-10 being a leader.  There is going to be a fine line between having fewer steps and making the levels granular enough that a level 2 doesn’t auto-win against a level 1, and a level 3 doesn’t auto-win against a level 2, etc., since I want a little more granularity in the range.

I’m not completely sold that every-other-session should be a level though.  What would you prefer?

Levels

I could play a game where power progression was slow.  I wonder how different the game would be if you didn’t gain levels as a reward, and instead you simply explored, or “unlocked” areas of the world.  I don’t think many people would enjoy that, and it would be very dependent on an imaginative GM who could weave a world around you that you wanted to explore.  That’s a lot of pressure.  I think we’ll have some power progression in Lost Worlds, but the question is of scale.  What should a “level” provide.  How often will you level, and do you have a hard cap or do you taper out at some point?

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